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SPEAKER_1: This is StarTalk Sports Edition, and this is going to be a Cosmic Queries Grab Bag.
SPEAKER_1: I love those because they go everywhere, and we're responding to your depths of curiosity out there.
SPEAKER_1: We're going to do three segments.
SPEAKER_1: In the first segment, we're going to do Cosmic Queries.
SPEAKER_1: In the second segment, more Cosmic Queries, and in the third segment, even more.
SPEAKER_1: And I got with me my co-host, Chuck Nice.
SPEAKER_1: Chuck.
SPEAKER_2: Hey, Neil.
SPEAKER_1: Good to have you there, all right, professional comedian.
SPEAKER_1: And I got a former professional soccer player in the guise of Gary O'Reilly.
SPEAKER_1: Gary, I feel privileged to have access to you.
SPEAKER_3: I feel reciprocal feelings.
SPEAKER_1: Oh, well, thank you.
SPEAKER_1: Thank you.
SPEAKER_1: And we said in previous episodes, there's a wiki page where your legs are on full display.
SPEAKER_1: Oh, my God.
SPEAKER_1: And Chuck couldn't stop talking about it.
SPEAKER_3: Fill up Betty Grable.
SPEAKER_3: For our listeners, Google that, because it's going to go probably way over your head.
SPEAKER_1: And, you know, I think I'm pretty good with Grab Bag Cosmic Queries, but I know someone out there who's better.
SPEAKER_1: We all do.
SPEAKER_1: He's beloved, a friend of StarTalk, my friend, my colleague, Charles Liu.
SPEAKER_4: It's a pleasure.
SPEAKER_4: And Chuck and Gary, great to see you guys again.
SPEAKER_4: Thank you so much.
SPEAKER_3: See you, Charles.
SPEAKER_3: It goes wild.
SPEAKER_1: Because whatever I know, you know more of it.
SPEAKER_1: That's what I, that's why.
SPEAKER_4: Not at all, Neil.
SPEAKER_1: It is evidence that the geek spectrum goes infinite in each direction, okay?
SPEAKER_1: Wherever you are in it, there's someone geekier than you, and arms reach away.
SPEAKER_1: And that's what we've got right here.
SPEAKER_4: I would just like to think that we complete each other.
SPEAKER_1: Oh, that's right.
SPEAKER_4: You don't know, I can supplement and vice versa.
SPEAKER_1: We're recording this right in the middle of the Olympics, and finally, finally track and field kicked in.
SPEAKER_1: So, Chuck, are you on top of that?
SPEAKER_2: Yes, absolutely.
SPEAKER_2: The Olympics, I'm watching none of it.
SPEAKER_1: Ha ha ha ha.
SPEAKER_4: How is that possible?
SPEAKER_1: Okay, Charles, okay, I asked the wrong person.
SPEAKER_2: Charles.
SPEAKER_2: I'm going to be very honest.
SPEAKER_1: I tried.
SPEAKER_2: I can't find it.
SPEAKER_2: I can't find it anywhere.
SPEAKER_1: Do over.
SPEAKER_1: Charles, how have you been doing with the Olympics?
SPEAKER_4: Oh, I have been following it.
SPEAKER_4: I've been watching some stuff, and I confess that I was staying up till all hours, once or twice this past week, just checking things out live, because somehow there is a difference between watching something happen in real time compared with watching it packaged in prime time.
SPEAKER_1: All right, so Gary, Chuck, you got the questions out there, so let's see what we've got.
SPEAKER_1: And are all of these from Patreon?
SPEAKER_3: Yes, they are.
SPEAKER_3: I'll start off, Chuck, follow up with the next one.
SPEAKER_3: Jay Maggi, here we go.
SPEAKER_3: Is oxygen deprivation a major case with swimmers who train and compete for Olympic gold?
SPEAKER_3: What kind of transformation do their bodies go through in being able to push their bodies while getting less oxygen?
SPEAKER_3: OK, Charles, over to you.
SPEAKER_1: Yeah, Charles, let me tighten that question a little bit and ask you, are the better athletes better because they do well with less oxygen or because they've done something with their physical fitness so that they always have more oxygen available?
SPEAKER_4: Both are kind of...
SPEAKER_1: And I presume it doesn't focus just on swimmers, just anybody with this major muscle performance.
SPEAKER_4: And in fact, there is a method of blood doping where you add oxygen, hemoglobin-rich stuff into your body.
SPEAKER_4: So there's a way to cheat on that too.
SPEAKER_4: But oxygenation is a very good question.
SPEAKER_1: Wait, if you add oxygen-rich hemoglobin, that's not a separate chemical different from the rest of what's in your body.
SPEAKER_4: But if you have a higher percentage of hemoglobin in your blood, then you can process oxygen a little bit better.
SPEAKER_1: And then you won't get caught.
SPEAKER_4: Yes.
SPEAKER_4: Or supposed to be.
SPEAKER_2: I believe they call that the Keith Richards.
SPEAKER_3: You train the altitude, Charles.
SPEAKER_3: You harvest blood that obviously is able to take in more oxygen.
SPEAKER_3: You keep it knowing that you're performing at sea level, and then you don't, with your own blood, with your own blood.
SPEAKER_4: Tour de France cyclists are in fact infamous for doing this kind of work.
SPEAKER_2: And no disrespect to people who don't like this guy.
SPEAKER_2: One of the reasons why he's the greatest...
SPEAKER_1: That might be about to disrespect him.
SPEAKER_2: Yeah, well, no, no, no, I'm saying, I understand why you may not like him, but one of the greatest cyclists of all time, because of the way he metabolized, he was able to retain oxygen in his blood, is Lance Armstrong.
SPEAKER_4: Well, his doping is now well recorded and legendary, and if he were not doing that, maybe he would not be one of the greatest cyclists of all time.
SPEAKER_4: But that's another conversation for another time.
SPEAKER_4: To answer specifically the oxygenation question.
SPEAKER_1: You just dissed Chuck Nice.
SPEAKER_1: That was just politely.
SPEAKER_4: Well, sorry.
SPEAKER_1: Wait, Chuck, Charles was polite.
SPEAKER_2: That's what I was saying.
SPEAKER_2: I said, if you don't like him, I understand.
SPEAKER_1: Charles was polite.
SPEAKER_4: No, no, no.
SPEAKER_1: You said nothing to do with like.
SPEAKER_1: It was just the facts of the circumstances.
SPEAKER_1: But okay, go on, go on, Charles.
SPEAKER_4: Yeah, with oxygenation is very interesting for swimmers, for example, very asthmatics.
SPEAKER_4: People who have a hard time taking in air sometimes are told to swim to help them deal with that better.
SPEAKER_4: Some of the world's greatest swimmers of all time actually have asthma.
SPEAKER_4: For example, Amy Van Dyken, who won many gold medals in swimming, was asthmatic.
SPEAKER_4: And as a result, for example, the way that she swam, she was able to use her muscles and work her body despite the fact there was a difficulty in her being able to take in air.
SPEAKER_1: So is it because you force your body and train it to breathe at these regular intervals?
SPEAKER_1: So it's really a breathing exercise at that level?
SPEAKER_4: Not only breathing, yes, but also the ability to do something very effectively, even though you're not intaking more oxygen.
SPEAKER_1: Okay, so what about the sprints, like the 50-meter sprint?
SPEAKER_1: They don't even come up for air, so...
SPEAKER_4: No, they don't.
SPEAKER_4: That's right.
SPEAKER_2: Yeah, so...
SPEAKER_2: Hussein Bald is so good, he actually held his breath the entire time he was running, just to try and make it fair.
SPEAKER_2: Just to make it fair.
SPEAKER_4: Can't tell if you're joking or serious.
SPEAKER_1: He was still tying his shoes when everyone else began.
SPEAKER_4: But yeah, it's true.
SPEAKER_4: The people who are doing the 50-meter sprint swims over the 20-ish seconds where they're working like crazy, they might come up for one breath.
SPEAKER_4: That's it.
SPEAKER_1: All right, keep it going.
SPEAKER_1: What else do we have?
SPEAKER_2: Okay, yeah.
SPEAKER_2: Wow, look at that.
SPEAKER_2: Well, we're not going to make you hold your breath for the next question.
SPEAKER_1: I got to add something astrophysical here.
SPEAKER_1: So Earth's atmosphere didn't always have oxygen.
SPEAKER_1: It was likely carbon dioxide in its very earliest stages.
SPEAKER_1: And the whole ecosphere at the time fed on carbon dioxide and released oxygen as a byproduct.
SPEAKER_1: And so we can argue here, I think, Charles, but I think we'd agree the biggest climatic change ever was the conversion of our atmosphere from a CO2 base to oxygen to have significant oxygen.
SPEAKER_4: The Great Oxygenation took hundreds of millions of years, and it was the most significant extinction event in the history of life on Earth.
SPEAKER_2: Oh, wow.
SPEAKER_2: So it was like for us, what global warming will be.
SPEAKER_4: Very possible.
SPEAKER_2: Very cool.
SPEAKER_4: Except global warming is happening on this time scale of human lifetimes.
SPEAKER_4: Because that's happening to take care of hundreds of millions of years.
SPEAKER_1: So oxygen then enabled a whole other level and classification of metabolism to take place.
SPEAKER_1: It's like rocket fuel for macroscopic animals.
SPEAKER_4: But that took forever to evolve that.
SPEAKER_4: And everything that didn't evolve that died out.
SPEAKER_1: There it is.
SPEAKER_1: Give me another question.
SPEAKER_1: Give me another one.
SPEAKER_2: Here we go.
SPEAKER_2: This is Michael DiCola.
SPEAKER_2: And he says, hey, guys, which sport of all sports, in your scientific opinions, requires the highest level of eye-hand coordination?
SPEAKER_2: And why?
SPEAKER_2: Baseball, hockey, tennis, badminton, ping pong?
SPEAKER_1: Oh, I love it.
SPEAKER_1: Let's get to that.
SPEAKER_1: We got to take a quick break.
SPEAKER_1: When we come back, we're going to fight over who thinks...
SPEAKER_1: Clearly in soccer, there's no hand-eye coordination because they don't use their hands.
SPEAKER_1: So you're out of...
SPEAKER_1: You're not in this conversation.
SPEAKER_4: Keepers.
SPEAKER_3: I'm in this conversation, but it doesn't have to be about soccer.
SPEAKER_1: When we come back, more StarTalk Sports Edition Cosmic Queries with my friend and colleague Charles Liu.
SPEAKER_1: Bye We're back, StarTalk Cosmic Queries.
SPEAKER_1: Grab bag, all Cosmic Queries, all the time.
SPEAKER_1: In this episode, I got Charles Liu with me.
SPEAKER_1: He's an astrophysicist with the City University of New York.
SPEAKER_1: And I've known this guy for 20-something years.
SPEAKER_1: And wherever I am on the geek spectrum, he's beyond it.
SPEAKER_1: He's multiple steps beyond.
SPEAKER_1: So that's why we have him here.
SPEAKER_4: It is a synergistic relationship.
SPEAKER_4: We work with one another.
SPEAKER_1: As you said in the first segment, we complete one another, maybe.
SPEAKER_1: That's what it is.
SPEAKER_1: And Chuck Nice and Gary O'Reilly, let's do this.
SPEAKER_1: Okay, so what was that next question?
SPEAKER_2: When we last, before we left, Michael DiCola wanted to know which sport of all sports, in your scientific opinions, requires the highest level of hand-eye coordination and why?
SPEAKER_1: I'm going to vote real quick.
SPEAKER_1: And I would not have had this answer, except for the Olympics I saw two days ago.
SPEAKER_1: And I have to say table tennis because, oh my gosh, what the hell are they doing?
SPEAKER_1: How are they, how it is happening?
SPEAKER_1: And I can't even follow it.
SPEAKER_1: I'm dizzy just looking at them and they're actually playing the game.
SPEAKER_1: So I vote for table tennis, hand-eye coordination.
SPEAKER_4: I agree that that is very impressive, but my watching has led me to believe the thing that's even more crazy and even harder is fencing.
SPEAKER_4: I cannot tell when people score.
SPEAKER_4: I just can't see the blade.
SPEAKER_1: It is funny where they just sort of remove the mask and cheer and say, what the hell just happened?
SPEAKER_4: They move so fast.
SPEAKER_4: And we should also qualify, right, Neil and Gary?
SPEAKER_4: I know you're about to say something about this too.
SPEAKER_4: There are many different versions of hand-eye coordination.
SPEAKER_4: There's the whole hand, like in fencing.
SPEAKER_4: There's individual finger craft, right?
SPEAKER_4: There's the ability to move the arm in general.
SPEAKER_4: It's a very complex system.
SPEAKER_4: So the term hand-eye coordination is very complicated and there could be many correct answers to this question.
SPEAKER_1: And for me, I kind of like the triple play in baseball that requires very high hand-eye speed coordination and accuracy.
SPEAKER_1: But still, the ping-pong, my head is still bouncing back and forth from three days ago matches that I saw.
SPEAKER_1: You don't get a vote here because soccer…
SPEAKER_3: No, I have a non-scientific opinion, so I'm kind of just…
SPEAKER_3: I'm running for fun, as it were.
SPEAKER_3: So it's a non-Olympic sport, but I have to push forward Formula One racing.
SPEAKER_3: To be able to travel at 200 miles an hour, coordinate everything in your ears that's coming from your team, to assess intuitively the situation of your car on the road at those speeds whilst driving, I would push that forward, but there's an argument for and against, I'm sure.
SPEAKER_1: My argument against that is everybody's going 200 miles an hour.
SPEAKER_2: And the car is helping a little bit.
SPEAKER_3: It's not going in a straight line.
SPEAKER_3: That's the thing with Formula One, it doesn't go in a straight line.
SPEAKER_1: You've got a very, very different track.
SPEAKER_2: That's true, you do have to steer it.
SPEAKER_1: Wow.
SPEAKER_1: Chuck, how about you?
SPEAKER_2: Well, I tell you, man, I'm confused now because ping pong is a blurringly fast sport where you can't even follow the ball and they're like the way they're...
SPEAKER_2: And I don't know how they create that much force to slam that little teeny ball that doesn't even...
SPEAKER_2: I can't even throw it.
SPEAKER_2: And they're smashing it so that it travels through.
SPEAKER_2: But then fencing is so incredible the way they're moving these foils in such a way that they're blocking each other and you can't even see it.
SPEAKER_2: And they're saying things like, hello, my name is Ignigo Montoya, you're my father.
SPEAKER_1: I think they should replace fencing with lightsabers.
SPEAKER_2: All right, there it is.
SPEAKER_2: Now I'm watching all the time.
SPEAKER_2: Olympics are not.
SPEAKER_1: That'd be the future of fencing.
SPEAKER_4: Lightsaber fighting in Star Wars is much more like the style of playing kendo, which is a sword fighting technique.
SPEAKER_1: Oh yes, I like kendo.
SPEAKER_1: Yes, I know kendo.
SPEAKER_2: Kendo is great.
SPEAKER_1: Yes.
SPEAKER_4: A kendo may well be used in an Olympic sport at some point.
SPEAKER_1: Use like sticks.
SPEAKER_1: Sticks, basically.
SPEAKER_4: That represent swords.
SPEAKER_4: So instead of cutting you in half with them, you just want to hurt each other.
SPEAKER_2: Yeah, you just end up with a knot on your head like this.
SPEAKER_4: Well, they're heavily armored.
SPEAKER_4: But I don't know when Formula One is going to become an Olympic sport.
SPEAKER_2: All right, so what do you guys think about baseball?
SPEAKER_2: Baseball.
SPEAKER_1: Baseball triple play.
SPEAKER_4: Tremendously difficult.
SPEAKER_4: Very hard.
SPEAKER_4: The hand-eye coordination, a pitcher's got to throw the ball at 100 miles an hour.
SPEAKER_4: And land it in a box?
SPEAKER_4: Yeah, a little tiny box.
SPEAKER_4: And then the batter's got to make sure that you take a little stick and hitting this ball that's coming towards you at 100 miles an hour.
SPEAKER_4: Very complicated.
SPEAKER_4: So really, every sport has a case to make for what is the most difficult hand-eye coordination.
SPEAKER_4: I don't think we can arrive today on a truly...
SPEAKER_1: It's just not soccer because they don't use their hands.
SPEAKER_3: What is it with soccer and you?
SPEAKER_1: I love you, but in this case...
SPEAKER_3: I love you, but not that much, obviously.
SPEAKER_1: I got nothing for you.
SPEAKER_1: Next question.
SPEAKER_1: All right.
SPEAKER_3: Here we go.
SPEAKER_3: Next question is up.
SPEAKER_3: And it's Vi-O-Lay-Ta, and it's broken down phonetically for us, and My Mom Izzy.
SPEAKER_3: They're back.
SPEAKER_1: We know Vi-O-Lay-Ta.
SPEAKER_3: So now...
SPEAKER_1: Is she still 11?
SPEAKER_3: No, no, no.
SPEAKER_3: Here we go.
SPEAKER_3: Breaking news.
SPEAKER_3: I am finally 13 years of age.
SPEAKER_1: She's a teenager.
SPEAKER_3: And I am writing to you from DC.
SPEAKER_3: And here we go.
SPEAKER_3: Yeah.
SPEAKER_3: Write down our lane.
SPEAKER_3: What are the weirdest sports to ever officially be part of the Olympic Games, past or present?
SPEAKER_3: And why, though?
SPEAKER_3: So has anyone got...
SPEAKER_3: I got a vote.
SPEAKER_1: I got a vote here.
SPEAKER_1: You go first.
SPEAKER_1: I got a vote here.
SPEAKER_1: So it has to be the tug of war, which was in the first few Olympics.
SPEAKER_1: And they said, no, we're not doing this anymore.
SPEAKER_1: So that was just kind of weird, right?
SPEAKER_1: The tug of war.
SPEAKER_1: So the rule was, as I understand it, everybody in the tug of war had to have a common profession.
SPEAKER_1: And they have to dress in whatever it is that that profession required of them so that it was a unit.
SPEAKER_1: It wasn't just random people from your country.
SPEAKER_1: So it would be like all police officers or fire people or whatever.
SPEAKER_1: And so it turned out the Brits kept winning it because they put their Bobbies in it.
SPEAKER_1: You know, the police.
SPEAKER_1: And they have these long boots with steel shanks at the heel.
SPEAKER_1: And so once they dug in their heels, you can't un-pull that.
SPEAKER_1: And so they were winning every time.
SPEAKER_1: And they just gave up in the tug of war.
SPEAKER_3: So we broke the sport of tug of war.
SPEAKER_1: Yeah, I think so.
SPEAKER_1: Yeah.
SPEAKER_1: So tug of war.
SPEAKER_1: That was kind of weird.
SPEAKER_4: Equipment technology.
SPEAKER_1: Yeah, yes.
SPEAKER_1: They probably could have gotten around that, but that was kind of weird.
SPEAKER_1: And I would say one of the weirdest sports we still have, not including all the really weird ones, just traditionally weird, the triple jump, I can't get around that one.
SPEAKER_1: I'm sorry.
SPEAKER_3: All right.
SPEAKER_3: That's got so much physics in it.
SPEAKER_1: Let's not just jump once.
SPEAKER_1: Let's jump three times.
SPEAKER_1: Wait, first hop first, and then it's like with who.
SPEAKER_2: And then skip.
SPEAKER_3: It's a happy event.
SPEAKER_3: You get to skip in the middle.
SPEAKER_3: All right, so my...
SPEAKER_1: Okay, that's my vote.
SPEAKER_3: All right, my obviously, as I've said already, non-scientific, is speed walking.
SPEAKER_1: Oh.
SPEAKER_3: That, you know, I get walking around, but walking like that, you know, to all the athletes...
SPEAKER_1: So it's like go as fast as you can, just don't run.
SPEAKER_3: Just go as fast as you can and look almost as ridiculous as you can doing it.
SPEAKER_3: With respect to every speed walker...
SPEAKER_1: Nobody looks good speed walking.
SPEAKER_3: I don't get it.
SPEAKER_4: But walking is cool because the rule that you have to have one foot on the ground at all times is a fascinating physical requirement.
SPEAKER_1: But that's not why they look weird.
SPEAKER_1: They look weird because...
SPEAKER_1: It is.
SPEAKER_1: No, no, no.
SPEAKER_1: They look weird because the leg that's coming under your body has to have a locked knee.
SPEAKER_1: That's it.
SPEAKER_1: Yes, yes.
SPEAKER_1: So you put down your foot in front of you.
SPEAKER_1: As your body passes over that foot, your leg has to be straight.
SPEAKER_1: And so otherwise, you ever see the posters keep on trucking?
SPEAKER_1: You could truck faster than you can speed walk because you're not limited by the leg going straight under your body.
SPEAKER_1: And so it's the straightening of the leg that shifts the hips up and down and gives you that jiggle wiggle waggle walk that they've got.
SPEAKER_3: It just looks painful.
SPEAKER_1: So Chuck, how about you?
SPEAKER_1: What sport is the weirdest?
SPEAKER_2: Very quickly, ribbon dancing.
SPEAKER_1: No, we still have that.
SPEAKER_4: Rhythmic gymnastics?
SPEAKER_4: Rhythmic gymnastics.
SPEAKER_2: With the ribbon.
SPEAKER_1: Yeah, same thing.
SPEAKER_4: With the ribbon, it's only one event.
SPEAKER_4: There's also the little ball that you could dance with.
SPEAKER_2: Yes, that too.
SPEAKER_2: That goes in with the ribbon dancing for me.
SPEAKER_2: Stop it is what I'm saying.
SPEAKER_4: I think it's cool.
SPEAKER_2: Just stop it with your stupid ball and your dumb ribbon.
SPEAKER_1: I like what you said.
SPEAKER_2: Just stop.
SPEAKER_1: Stop it.
SPEAKER_2: Take your ribbon and wrap a gift and take your ball and go to the beach.
SPEAKER_2: And leave it out of the damn Olympics.
SPEAKER_1: And leave it out of the Olympics.
SPEAKER_1: I love rhythmic gymnastics.
SPEAKER_1: I got one more thing.
SPEAKER_1: It's not weird, but I have to confess my urban ignorance.
SPEAKER_1: So I think I was maybe 20, like embarrassingly.
SPEAKER_1: I'm probably a little younger, but still embarrassingly old.
SPEAKER_1: The day I learned that in water polo, you're never touching the ground.
SPEAKER_4: Never touch the bottom of the pool.
SPEAKER_1: Right, because it's like seven, eight, nine feet down.
SPEAKER_1: And I said, what?
SPEAKER_1: And so I don't know that counts as a sport that is weird, but I thought it was weird that they had to swim the entire time.
SPEAKER_1: I said, who would do that?
SPEAKER_1: That makes it harder.
SPEAKER_1: If you're just trying to throw the ball.
SPEAKER_4: The physical fitness of water polo athletes.
SPEAKER_3: Just pretty amazing.
SPEAKER_1: I think it's an uncelebrated fact about what they do and how and why they do it.
SPEAKER_1: All right, let's get one more before we take our next break.
SPEAKER_3: Okay, Kaylee Sell.
SPEAKER_3: Hi Chuck, hi everybody.
SPEAKER_3: Are there very many participants in the sports world working directly with scientists in the pursuit to figure out...
SPEAKER_3: It's a long question, by the way.
SPEAKER_3: Pull up a chair.
SPEAKER_3: Out of just how durable the human body can be and what these athletes can accomplish, I've heard people saying we should have at least one perfectly average person competing against the world's best in the Olympics.
SPEAKER_3: So can we have some frame of reference and a laugh?
SPEAKER_3: So basically Chuck, this is what Kaylee Sell is saying.
SPEAKER_3: How much would they need to pay you, Chuck, to do gymnastics next to Simone Biles?
SPEAKER_3: And what is the statistical likelihood you would survive to do another StarTalk episode?
SPEAKER_1: That's the rewording of the question.
SPEAKER_1: We will find out when we come back whether Chuck should be in the Olympics so we can all laugh at him relative to everybody else on StarTalk.
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SPEAKER_1: We're back for our third and final segment of StarTalk Sports Edition Cosmic Queries Grab Bag Edition.
SPEAKER_1: I got Charles Liu.
SPEAKER_1: Charles, how do we find you on the internet?
SPEAKER_4: I tweet at Chuck Liu, C-H-U-C-K-L-I-U.
SPEAKER_1: All right.
SPEAKER_4: And generally just find me around.
SPEAKER_1: Just open some doors.
SPEAKER_1: There he is.
SPEAKER_2: Just turn on the internet and you'll find Chuck Liu.
SPEAKER_1: So we left off, I forgot, was this question directed to Charles Liu or Chuck Nice?
SPEAKER_3: This is a Chuck Nice question.
SPEAKER_1: About the average person we want to see perform.
SPEAKER_3: So they want to see just how good the best in the world actually are by putting what they are, this is Kaylee Sell, by the way.
SPEAKER_3: She is saying, right, how much do we need to pay Chuck to do gymnastics next to Simone Biles?
SPEAKER_3: And what is the statistical likelihood you would survive to do-
SPEAKER_1: That Chuck will break.
SPEAKER_3: Yeah, that we will just completely trash Chuck Nice.
SPEAKER_1: I like the idea that we get a reminder of what is average.
SPEAKER_2: Yeah, base level.
SPEAKER_1: That's a facet.
SPEAKER_1: So instead of the world record line on the pool, there should be the Chuck Nice line, you know, moving as Chuck Nice would be.
SPEAKER_2: Yeah, which by the way would be a kiddie pool.
SPEAKER_3: I know, but what it does, I mean, spinning that 180, what it does is make you realize just how good these athletes are.
SPEAKER_3: And when you say elite, I think in some instances it doesn't do them justice.
SPEAKER_2: Well, if I ever swam against an Olympic, in an Olympic meet, the other swimmers would also have to wear swimmies to make it even for me.
SPEAKER_2: Because I bet you that that would ruin them, like actually swimming with swimmies.
SPEAKER_1: We'll help you out.
SPEAKER_1: Swimming is those little inflatable things that are on your arms?
SPEAKER_2: Yes, they go on your arms.
SPEAKER_1: Okay, all right, that's what I was wondering.
SPEAKER_1: So here's the difference.
SPEAKER_1: There are events where you would break if you attempted them, but we all can walk and we know how to run and most of us know how to swim.
SPEAKER_1: So I think those are more typical of where you can put an average person in and see where they would land.
SPEAKER_1: I think that would be an interesting exercise.
SPEAKER_3: Making Chuck do the balance beam or floor exercises with Simone Biles.
SPEAKER_2: Let me just tell you, you could not pay me to do the balance beam for two reasons.
SPEAKER_2: One, I actually, and there's two reasons, and I like them both.
SPEAKER_1: That's the end of that joke.
SPEAKER_1: All right.
SPEAKER_2: And the second thing is that I have a permanent case of the twisties.
SPEAKER_4: Look, all you have to do is a double pike dismount and you don't have to twist.
SPEAKER_1: Okay, so here it is, Chuck.
SPEAKER_1: I'm going to quote one of your brethren, Stephen Wright.
SPEAKER_1: He says, I'm not afraid of heights, I'm afraid of widths.
SPEAKER_2: You got to love that.
SPEAKER_1: That was good.
SPEAKER_4: It's not the fall, it's the landing.
SPEAKER_2: Right, right, right, right.
SPEAKER_1: All right, let's get another one going here in our third and final segment.
SPEAKER_1: So what else you got?
SPEAKER_1: You guys going back and forth?
SPEAKER_2: Yeah, well, this is Michael Meehn.
SPEAKER_2: Michael Meehn says, hey, Neil and Charles, Lucas, my 10-year-old science enthusiast, wishes to know how many gymnasts jumped so high during their floor routines?
SPEAKER_1: Not how many, but how is it they jumped so high?
SPEAKER_2: He forgot to do.
SPEAKER_2: How do gymnasts jump so high during their floor routines?
SPEAKER_1: He didn't forget to do.
SPEAKER_1: You added a word that wasn't there.
SPEAKER_1: Okay, how gymnasts jump so high, that's all.
SPEAKER_1: Don't be blaming it on Michael.
SPEAKER_1: Let me tell you something.
SPEAKER_2: Michael didn't write this question the way I told him to.
SPEAKER_1: Plus, he should let his 10-year-old ask the question, not himself.
SPEAKER_1: So, we're answering Lucas here, not Michael.
SPEAKER_1: Yes, Lucas.
SPEAKER_4: An excellent question.
SPEAKER_4: And Michael, thank you for phrasing the question for Lucas on Lucas's behalf.
SPEAKER_4: The answer is twofold.
SPEAKER_4: One is gymnasts have so much muscle power per cubic inch of their body that they're able to launch themselves in very, very effective ways.
SPEAKER_4: Kind of like a way a basketball player can elevate above the rim.
SPEAKER_4: But in this instance, it's elevating their whole bodies in unusual…
SPEAKER_1: Could it be that they're smaller?
SPEAKER_1: They're smaller.
SPEAKER_4: Being smaller helps.
SPEAKER_1: It's got to, because a flea can jump many times its height, but a hippopotamus can't.
SPEAKER_4: That's right.
SPEAKER_4: That's part of it, right.
SPEAKER_1: Imagine a jumping hippopotamus.
SPEAKER_1: That would be amazing.
SPEAKER_4: Oh, I would love to see that.
SPEAKER_4: But the second point, which sometimes people don't know as much…
SPEAKER_1: Actually, have you seen baby hippos?
SPEAKER_1: They're the cutest thing.
SPEAKER_1: They do jump with our four feet.
SPEAKER_1: Okay, go on.
SPEAKER_4: Yeah, and they didn't cut you in half with their mouths.
SPEAKER_4: They are powerful, powerful animals.
SPEAKER_1: Yeah, they're all jaw.
SPEAKER_1: Okay, so go on.
SPEAKER_4: The other part is that a lot of people don't realize that in the floor exercises, there are springs under the floor.
SPEAKER_4: There is a very small amount of give and elasticity on the floor just in order to allow the athletes to have that extra push and see all the cool things that we get to see when they are performing their acts.
SPEAKER_1: So that means the energy that they give themselves by jumping high, when they hit the pad again, that energy goes into the spring and goes back to them.
SPEAKER_1: It's not absorbed by anything, so there is no dissipation of the jumping energy.
SPEAKER_1: Inelastic, you end up burning up the energy, losing the energy to some friction, I guess, or heat.
SPEAKER_1: Apparently, somebody wasn't content with the floor exercises and they introduced the trampoline to the Olympics.
SPEAKER_1: We need more springs.
SPEAKER_1: We are not jumping high enough.
SPEAKER_4: This guy is going 30 feet in the air.
SPEAKER_4: It's beautiful to watch.
SPEAKER_4: Fascinating.
SPEAKER_1: Okay, keep it coming.
SPEAKER_1: Give me some more.
SPEAKER_3: Thank you, Lucas.
SPEAKER_1: Ten-year-old Lucas.
SPEAKER_3: We are going to fill one in, which kind of seems off topic, but I think we will find a way to make this work.
SPEAKER_3: Josh has asked, what fields, because of physics graduate work in minus teaching, I wish to switch my degree to physics, but I am worried about the lack of job prospects.
SPEAKER_3: Well, we are a science sports show, so Charles, do we have the answer here?
SPEAKER_1: He's asking if he's majoring in physics, is there a job?
SPEAKER_1: You know, so the thing is, he's looking in the want ads or whatever they are today and say, physics is needed.
SPEAKER_1: That's not how this works.
SPEAKER_1: Oh, no.
SPEAKER_1: Yeah, Charles, take this from me.
SPEAKER_4: And by the way, we're not indeed.com.
SPEAKER_4: But let me provide encouragement.
SPEAKER_4: As Neil was alluding to, physics is essentially the understanding of how the world and the universe work.
SPEAKER_1: My undergraduate degree is in physics.
SPEAKER_4: Yeah, I have an undergraduate degree in physics as well, in addition to astronomy and astrophysics.
SPEAKER_4: The point is that most people would love to hire a physicist for doing something other than teaching.
SPEAKER_4: For example, helping athletes be more effective in their athletic behavior because they know the physics of the human body, the physics of the equipment, the physics of the venue.
SPEAKER_4: What you need to do in order to take advantage of those opportunities in the world after you've attained a physics degree is to love what you do.
SPEAKER_4: Loving the physics and understanding what's happening allows you to extend yourself into different areas of the world which you might not have thought of was physics and in the process literally change how those fields work.
SPEAKER_1: And let me add, because Charles and I complement each other.
SPEAKER_1: No, no.
SPEAKER_1: Because Charles and I complete each other, let me add, that physics is not so much a body of knowledge as it is insight into the operations of nature.
SPEAKER_1: So employers who know that do very well and you know who are among them?
SPEAKER_1: Google has hired physicists.
SPEAKER_1: My wife has a PhD in mathematical physics and was hired by Michael Bloomberg when he began his entire financial empire.
SPEAKER_1: When she was hired in, he had only less than 100 employees and he himself has degrees in math and physics.
SPEAKER_1: And when he became the youngest partner ever at Salomon Brothers, his mother said, but you're not using your physics degree.
SPEAKER_1: And then when he left with $30 million and founded a company, a tech info tech company, but you're not using your physics degree.
SPEAKER_1: Then he becomes a multi-billionaire.
SPEAKER_1: Then he runs.
SPEAKER_1: You're not using a physics degree.
SPEAKER_1: The fact is he was using his physics degree every step of the way.
SPEAKER_2: So shut up.
SPEAKER_1: He can't chuck and sag because he's a comedian.
SPEAKER_1: He's allowed to say that.
SPEAKER_4: But the realization, yes, if you want to switch to physics because you really love it and you want to study the way the universe works, do it and you will find the employment opportunities there opening up for you.
SPEAKER_1: Wait, wait.
SPEAKER_1: And if you really just into just the physics for the physics sake, then you can be a physicist and be a research professor somewhere.
SPEAKER_1: But if you don't want to teach and you don't want to do that, 99 other places will take you because you will see the world the way others do not as a juxtaposition of matter, motion and energy.
SPEAKER_1: In fact, Charles and I are co-authors on a book published in the year 2000, which is basically about astronomy and the universe.
SPEAKER_1: However, the content was organized by the physics principles of matter, motion and energy.
SPEAKER_1: And that was sort of an innovative way to think about information and knowledge and how it works to bring us the world that we know and understand and love.
SPEAKER_4: One universe at home in the cosmos.
SPEAKER_1: Time for like one more question.
SPEAKER_1: We got more another question there.
SPEAKER_3: Let's see.
SPEAKER_3: This is from Roman Prekop.
SPEAKER_3: Is there any technology which could make i.e.
SPEAKER_3: javelins fly further?
SPEAKER_3: I think, Charles, you've got this.
SPEAKER_3: We may have touched on this before.
SPEAKER_1: I got this.
SPEAKER_1: It's called rockets.
SPEAKER_1: Yeah, you got a rocket on it.
SPEAKER_4: Low-hanging fruit has been picked.
SPEAKER_4: What is a rocket but a javelin with a rocket on it?
SPEAKER_1: Yeah, yeah, that's right.
SPEAKER_3: So, Charles, didn't they already do this because the javelins...
SPEAKER_1: No, they did the opposite of this.
SPEAKER_1: What did they do?
SPEAKER_3: They moved the center of gravity by...
SPEAKER_3: There's a weight, so they moved it further back.
SPEAKER_3: And so that actually made the javelin throw go less distance.
SPEAKER_3: But there was some...
SPEAKER_1: Is that because the space in the stadium, they couldn't contain the thrown javelin in the stadium without risking killing someone on the facing stands?
SPEAKER_3: Can you imagine someone in a 5,000...
SPEAKER_2: We only lost four fans.
SPEAKER_3: Yeah.
SPEAKER_3: And an athlete in the 5,000 meters that was taking the bend.
SPEAKER_1: Oh, that happened to me morning fly.
SPEAKER_1: Imagine how that would explain that one.
SPEAKER_3: There was also, Charles, wasn't there some sort of feathering on the tail of the javelin as well that they were using to make it fly?
SPEAKER_3: So can we explain that as well?
SPEAKER_4: That's right.
SPEAKER_4: Well, aerodynamically speaking, when you have something in the tail of an object moving, it helps stabilize the motion and create a better trajectory.
SPEAKER_4: And what we always want to do when we're trying to throw things that are not round or even round to some extent, is to try to make sure it doesn't wobble or make too many changes in its profile to the air as it moves through the air.
SPEAKER_1: Because that will bring up more air resistance.
SPEAKER_1: That would create more air resistance, I see.
SPEAKER_4: The fletching creates, yeah, a little bit of air resistance by existing, but what it does is it makes the net air resistance of the entire system much smaller.
SPEAKER_1: Cool.
SPEAKER_1: So this is why, to just go off support here, this is why you can throw a spiral football farther than throwing it in any other sort of kind of trajectory.
SPEAKER_1: A spiral goes farther because it maintains the same, how did you call it, profile to the air as it moves through?
SPEAKER_1: Okay, very cool.
SPEAKER_1: So we don't want them to fly farther, that's the point, because we want to contain it within the stadium.
SPEAKER_3: We can build bigger stadiums, but that's not cost effective.
SPEAKER_1: All right.
SPEAKER_1: Let's do one more.
SPEAKER_1: Was there one on the Paralympics there?
SPEAKER_3: Yes, there was.
SPEAKER_3: This is a question from Peter Jacobs from Queensland, Australia.
SPEAKER_3: Shouldn't we allow Paralympic swimmers to wear prosthesis?
SPEAKER_3: Oh, prosthesis.
SPEAKER_3: Thank you, Neil.
SPEAKER_1: Interesting.
SPEAKER_4: Well, in my opinion, it would be fine if everyone wore the same kind of prosthetic that would allow them to be performing on a fair level playing field.
SPEAKER_4: That's kind of hard to know, right?
SPEAKER_4: Paralympic athletes all need different kinds of prosthetics.
SPEAKER_4: And so, if you…
SPEAKER_1: And it's part of the interesting challenge of designing the sports and how they would be contesting.
SPEAKER_4: Then you wind up with a circumstance.
SPEAKER_4: And really, this is philosophical as opposed to physical, but in my opinion, when a Paralympic athlete is performing, that person is whole.
SPEAKER_4: That person is not incomplete and needs a prosthetic to complete them.
SPEAKER_4: They are who they are.
SPEAKER_4: And so, competing with that in mind, in that attitude, is in my opinion probably much more meaningful than athletic competition than prosthetic-sizing everyone to be sort of uniform in that way.
SPEAKER_4: Damn, Chuck.
SPEAKER_4: Otherwise, you'd be like, well…
SPEAKER_1: Deep and philosophical and moral…
SPEAKER_2: Deep and physically philosophical.
SPEAKER_2: And moral…
SPEAKER_1: Chuck, nothing you said has any rebuttal at all.
SPEAKER_2: Yeah, which is why I can't stand it, because I can't make a joke about it.
SPEAKER_2: You can't even make a joke about it.
SPEAKER_1: What you're saying is to say, let's put on a prosthetic, means we have to turn you into us in order to watch you compete.
SPEAKER_1: And that's just wrong.
SPEAKER_1: Oh my gosh, Chuck.
SPEAKER_4: It's not necessary.
SPEAKER_3: What an onset.
SPEAKER_1: Charles, what an answer.
SPEAKER_2: That is really good.
SPEAKER_1: Damn, Chuck.
SPEAKER_1: And of course, if you want to cross over to one of our other postings, we interviewed the archer for the Paralympics who does not have hands.
SPEAKER_3: The armless archer is Matt Stutzman, Neil.
SPEAKER_1: Yeah, we had him on StarTalk and that was quite a show.
SPEAKER_1: And he was sitting there all proud and how he can pull the bow and he's got a family and he works on his Corvette in his garage.
SPEAKER_1: And so, Charles, that's a beautiful note to end on.
SPEAKER_1: Thank you for digging into that bit of social cultural, what shall we call that?
SPEAKER_1: A sense of who we are and a sense of what society can and should be.
SPEAKER_1: And you heard it here on StarTalk.
SPEAKER_1: All right, guys, we're going to call it quits there.
SPEAKER_1: Gary, Chuck, Charles, always great to have this Trinity of the three of you.
SPEAKER_1: Thank you for working with me on this show.
SPEAKER_1: This has been StarTalk Sports Edition Cosmic Queries Grab Bag.
SPEAKER_1: And I'm Neil deGrasse Tyson, your personal astrophysicist, bidding you as always to keep looking up.